Ep 114. What Happens When You Stop Performing and Start Being Yourself

00:00:00: If you're wanting to change your emotional state, if you're wanting to

00:00:02: take command over your emotional states and authority over your emotional states.

00:00:07: Honestly like, all the arts, I think be it, predominantly visual

00:00:11: performing or otherwise are an excellent modality for that.

00:00:14: You just need the intention.

00:00:17: Hi, and welcome to Lead Well.

00:00:25: Today's conversation is a reminder that impact often starts

00:00:29: quietly with creativity, with care, and also consistency.

00:00:35: My guest today is Ashlieya Mariano, also known as Lieya.

00:00:39: She is the owner of Dance Masters Performing Art Studio in California

00:00:44: where she has spent years helping young people build confidence, discipline,

00:00:49: and self-expression through the arts.

00:00:52: And building on that work

00:00:54: Lieya went to found the nonprofit Builders of a Better World, expanding

00:01:00: her mission beyond the studio to support children and families in

00:01:04: underserved communities through creative and social emotional learning.

00:01:09: This is a conversation about purpose, community, and how creativity

00:01:14: becomes a force for real change.

00:01:18: Ashlieya, I'm really glad you're here.

00:01:21: Oh, thank you Christine.

00:01:22: It's my pleasure to be here.

00:01:23: Thank you so much for having me.

00:01:25: Sure.

00:01:26: Now I'm really curious, you started in the performing arts and at what

00:01:33: point did you realize that this work was about more than performance?

00:01:39: When I realized that having access to the performing arts as a child

00:01:44: growing up was something that I look back on with so much gratitude and

00:01:49: appreciation, it's one of the things when I reflect on my upbringing,

00:01:53: that I am just so thankful for.

00:01:56: It taught me so much that the list could just go on and on.

00:02:01: That's not always accessible to everyone.

00:02:04: And I initially just kept going in the world in which was familiar to me,

00:02:11: which is that of the performing arts, touring and performing and teaching and

00:02:15: then having a studio and all of that.

00:02:18: And I really got into wanting to provide a space for kids.

00:02:24: And I realized that there is so much to do with creativity and flow exercise and how

00:02:33: that aids in socialization, confidence, self-expression, emotional intelligence.

00:02:39: It goes so much deeper than just putting on a musical or writing a play

00:02:43: or, putting together a short film.

00:02:45: Although I love storytelling so much, I love storytelling, and there's

00:02:49: so many brilliant ways in the world of performing arts to, to do that.

00:02:53: That's a big part of what the performing arts is storytelling.

00:02:56: And I wanted to teach children how to be able to use that and channel their

00:03:02: most authentic parts of themselves.

00:03:05: And then adults as well.

00:03:07: 'cause we stop with kids and then we do families and all of that.

00:03:11: So it's something that has been really special to me my entire life.

00:03:15: Wow.

00:03:16: Wow.

00:03:16: And is it helped by movement or is it that it is being on a stage and people

00:03:22: watching you, what is it that helps those

00:03:26: children and adults.

00:03:28: My gosh starting at the beginning, the, I think the relationship

00:03:31: to self is critically important.

00:03:33: So when you're in a creative state, when you are in this kind of a flow

00:03:36: state, you're uninhibitedly just navigating by your own consciousness.

00:03:43: And ideally, you're not considering, you're not really thinking, you're

00:03:47: so present in what you're doing that is extremely good for the brain.

00:03:52: Be it whatever you're doing in a flow state you accompany that with

00:03:55: movement or with music or something that just really ignites your

00:03:59: passion and your soul and that thing.

00:04:02: And that to me is pure joy.

00:04:06: It's pure joy to be just immersed in a task and you learn so much

00:04:10: about yourself and what that means.

00:04:12: So the relationship to self is one component, which I think

00:04:14: is probably the most important.

00:04:17: You learn collaboration.

00:04:19: So in an environment with adults, in an environment with children,

00:04:23: it's actually really quite similar.

00:04:26: We love everyone.

00:04:27: We love everyone.

00:04:28: People are wonderful.

00:04:29: If you're in a, you're in a mode, right?

00:04:31: Where you have this, be it a production that you're working towards, maybe

00:04:35: it is that performance, maybe it is, a film where everyone has their

00:04:39: respective role and responsibility.

00:04:41: And, you have to show up and contribute in that way whilst navigating

00:04:45: interpersonal relationships and how you show up as that version of yourself.

00:04:49: And there's an aspect of the arts that gets very emotional.

00:04:52: There's a vulnerability.

00:04:54: In what you're giving in those moments and what you're choosing to expand upon.

00:04:58: And, what you're trying to express is real human emotions.

00:05:03: That's a big part of the storytelling aspect and it

00:05:06: brings out, interesting dynamics.

00:05:10: So the socialization, the emotional intelligence, being able to understand

00:05:16: what you're going through and name it and say, this is what I'm experiencing,

00:05:20: this is what I'm trying to experience, this is my intention with my experience.

00:05:23: And then to receive someone else's experience and that be

00:05:27: a part of that collaboration,

00:05:29: being understanding and aware and compassionate, accepting,

00:05:32: embracing, there's a unity when you're collaborating on something.

00:05:37: You have this mutual endeavor that you're all working towards.

00:05:41: And for a creative space, in order to have that uninhibited expression

00:05:46: and vulnerability, there needs to be a perpetuation of safety.

00:05:49: There has to be a container for the ability to express authentically.

00:05:54: And you show up willing to participate in that.

00:05:58: In both the, giver of your sense of self, but also, the understanding that you are

00:06:05: going to contribute to that safe space.

00:06:08: So you have all that socialization, emotional intelligence,

00:06:10: all of that good stuff.

00:06:12: On top of knowing yourself ultimately.

00:06:15: And then you have all these brilliant ways, it's good for

00:06:19: your biology and physiology.

00:06:21: Music is brilliant for the brain.

00:06:22: Learning instruments.

00:06:23: Playing instruments.

00:06:25: That's excellent for your memory, for your cognitive skill.

00:06:28: Similarly with dancing.

00:06:29: Dancing has been known to aid with people who have Parkinson's

00:06:33: and Parkinson's related symptoms.

00:06:35: For us in the state of California, if you have medical insurance a lot of the

00:06:39: times you can take a dance class for free,

00:06:41: if you have Parkinson's.

00:06:43: It's been known to aid with preventing Alzheimer's and dementia.

00:06:47: Plus it's a physical activity.

00:06:49: All the endorphins that get released in, in physical activity, good muscle

00:06:53: memory, all round, good for the body.

00:06:55: The benefits are... it's like, why not?

00:06:59: And I

00:07:00: can so relate to that because I must admit I love dance and I love Zumba

00:07:06: and I had stopped for about five years and I just took it on again two months

00:07:12: ago, and I am a different person just by going to that Zumba class.

00:07:17: It's so amazing.

00:07:19: Beautiful.

00:07:19: That's brilliant.

00:07:20: That's so excellent.

00:07:21: And yeah to create a space for that, to make that available to anyone and

00:07:25: everyone with the intention, if you show up to a Zumba class and you don't

00:07:30: intend to get something out of it, right?

00:07:32: Intention is so powerful.

00:07:35: You show up with the intention to serve your body, serve your mind, serve your

00:07:38: soul to, to be in this good positive space, to know that you're gonna receive

00:07:42: something from it, that is gonna, in some way, it could heal you, it could

00:07:46: transform you, it can change your state and movement does that, the arts do that.

00:07:52: If you're wanting to change your emotional state, if you're wanting to

00:07:54: take command over your emotional states and authority over your emotional states.

00:07:59: Honestly like, all the arts, I think be it, predominantly visual

00:08:04: performing or otherwise are an excellent modality for that.

00:08:07: You just need the intention.

00:08:08: And where does discipline come in?

00:08:10: Because I think that's a point that's also very important to you.

00:08:14: Is it?

00:08:14: Yeah.

00:08:15: You, we get to pick and choose, I personally think.

00:08:19: How we define ourselves and what our relationship is to

00:08:23: the concept of identity, right?

00:08:26: If I identify as a dancer I wanna be a good dancer.

00:08:30: Yeah.

00:08:31: Do I have a way of measuring that?

00:08:32: Do I have a way of, being able to say, this is what I'm working towards

00:08:36: and this is what I wanna do, and I say my identity is I'm a dancer.

00:08:39: What does a dancer's life look like?

00:08:42: Am I gonna show up on a regular basis?

00:08:44: A dancer trains a dancer, takes classes.

00:08:47: A dancer is consistent with their practice.

00:08:50: That's where the discipline comes in for me personally.

00:08:53: If I identify as this part of myself and I want to nurture that part of

00:08:58: myself that requires the consistency.

00:09:02: That requires a mindset.

00:09:04: I'm gonna be there.

00:09:05: I want to improve.

00:09:06: I strive to continue learning.

00:09:07: I strive to continue to do better.

00:09:10: That's where the discipline comes in as far as that's concerned.

00:09:13: Same thing with playing an instrument.

00:09:15: I'm not a protege by any means if I'm gonna be in any way proficient

00:09:20: or even just remotely intermediate, whoever be kidding at guitar or

00:09:24: Right I play guitar alto sax.

00:09:26: I started, doing very beginner piano.

00:09:29: You have to practice.

00:09:31: So if you're needing something outside of yourself, there's,

00:09:35: always having goals to work towards.

00:09:38: But I advise beyond all else, what do you want as a lifestyle?

00:09:41: If you're a guitarist.

00:09:45: You're gonna implement that into your routines and into your regular activities.

00:09:50: That's gonna be a part of what you do and how you choose to spend your time.

00:09:53: So hopefully that answers your question.

00:09:55: Yeah, it does.

00:09:56: It does.

00:09:56: And I love the fact that you never ever mentioned any

00:10:00: type of comparison to others.

00:10:02: You always, when you said discipline, because I want to improve.

00:10:06: I want to be the person, I want to be the dancer.

00:10:09: I want to be the performer.

00:10:11: Exactly.

00:10:12: Exactly.

00:10:13: There's, we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to anyone in any

00:10:17: situation in, in my opinion.

00:10:19: But especially when it comes to something, creative.

00:10:22: It's like it's you for you by you, it's, we do these things hopefully

00:10:27: because they're, again it's an extension of what brings us this joy

00:10:31: and this expansion and this happiness

00:10:34: and,

00:10:35: that's what I think,

00:10:37: a lot of people, if nothing else, you get to come to a class, try a program.

00:10:43: And find out, what does work for you along the way.

00:10:46: And it's okay if it's not dance, it's okay if it's not music, if it's not theater.

00:10:50: But you tried it and you can say, oh yeah, I actually found, something in

00:10:55: watercolor painting, or whatever it is for you, pottery or something of that sort.

00:11:00: And that's, that to me.

00:11:02: Still a brilliant thing to gift yourself.

00:11:07: The ability of experience, the opportunity to try something and say, I just, I

00:11:13: didn't get out of it what I get from this?

00:11:15: Because you don't really know until Yeah.

00:11:17: Until you try.

00:11:18: Exactly.

00:11:19: Wow.

00:11:20: Exactly.

00:11:20: Now you have helped a lot of individuals with your, in your studio, and then.

00:11:26: I assume you still had the feeling that there was something missing

00:11:31: because you then went on to found the Builders of the Better World.

00:11:37: Yeah.

00:11:38: Yeah.

00:11:39: Firstly, I should just say definitively I'm a very growth mindset oriented person.

00:11:44: So there's always aligning, expanding, improving.

00:11:49: Not to say that I'm not, perfectly happy in the present moment because

00:11:53: I do genuinely strive to have that sense of presence and not be

00:11:58: constantly going what can I improve?

00:12:00: Having said that though, as a business owner, right,

00:12:04: you learn so much.

00:12:05: As an entrepreneur as someone who needs to abide by state laws and right, there's,

00:12:12: there are procedures that you must abide by when navigating your business.

00:12:17: And I realized when I got into working with public schools here in, in

00:12:24: California I had experience working with public schools in other states as well.

00:12:30: In the state of California, there's a huge deprivation for arts.

00:12:34: There's a huge deprivation for any recreational activity

00:12:38: in public schools now.

00:12:40: And so when I was able to secure contracts with the public school system,

00:12:47: I realized I was operating as a nonprofit.

00:12:52: And that, settled a little something about the way I needed to structure

00:12:57: things, just foundationally within the business, to align with, the way

00:13:01: in which I was actually navigating.

00:13:03: So I felt as though, honestly, it was meant to be for me to move

00:13:06: forward and found a nonprofit ultimately, no matter what I did.

00:13:10: But that was really telling with where I was in that moment.

00:13:13: And then you want, I wanted to surrender my not authority,

00:13:20: although I have very much surrendered that as well, I didn't want to be the face.

00:13:26: When you're the owner and you bear all the responsibility, the

00:13:30: business is a, is an extension of me.

00:13:32: The nonprofit, by definition is not owned by me.

00:13:35: It's an ours.

00:13:36: It's a, it's a for the communities, it's for the people who can benefit from it.

00:13:41: It is made up of all the people that come together to help provide services and help

00:13:47: create the programs and help make it work.

00:13:50: It's a real collective and that's what Builders of a Better World needs to be.

00:13:57: It's all of us.

00:13:58: And it's for all of us.

00:13:59: It's not mine.

00:14:01: And I didn't want to have the same attachment to it emotionally.

00:14:08: I wanted to structure it and build it, and then just let it sail the

00:14:14: way it's meant to, and detach in the most beautiful way possible with

00:14:21: whatever it's meant to ultimately do.

00:14:23: We have so many plans and we've done so many incredible things already.

00:14:29: I'm really looking forward to what comes next, and it's exciting not

00:14:34: being the person who you know, decides and dictates every little decision.

00:14:39: It's exciting feeling like I am along with the discovery of it, and allowing, so

00:14:47: many other brilliant minds to come forward and contribute their own piece of it,

00:14:53: and allowing that to be what ultimately gives it its shape and foundation.

00:14:57: And it just, it's, yeah it makes me very warm and fuzzy on, on

00:15:01: the inside to think about, wow.

00:15:03: Yeah.

00:15:03: I can almost feel that.

00:15:05: Can you share a moment where you saw real change happen for a child

00:15:10: and family that you supported?

00:15:12: Yeah, like there's specifically, there's always a few individuals that stand out.

00:15:21: It, it gets hard to want to choose some over the other,

00:15:25: to talk about, to be honest.

00:15:26: I, and that might seem silly 'cause no one knows who I would

00:15:29: be acknowledging necessarily.

00:15:31: But there's been a consistent evolution with the way I viewed

00:15:41: someone else's transformation or takeaway or benefit from it.

00:15:47: Now when I watch a child really get that burst of excitement

00:15:56: because they got it, right.

00:15:58: They've been studying or they've been practicing and that which they

00:16:01: weren't good at before, they're now able to celebrate as being good at.

00:16:06: And then to watch that translate in how they move through the world, how they

00:16:15: carry themself when they walk in the door, how they greet their family when they

00:16:18: come to collect them after the lesson or a performance of some kind and to watch,

00:16:25: and I say watch, not that I'm clairvoyant, you can't, you can see

00:16:29: the vibration emanating off of them.

00:16:31: And it's different than the first meeting.

00:16:35: It's different than the unsure.

00:16:37: It's different than, when they're navigating this unfamiliar and now

00:16:41: the unfamiliar is familiar, and not only is it familiar, it's loved.

00:16:44: And it's loved not from a place of something external.

00:16:49: I love guitar.

00:16:50: I'm watching them play the guitar, and I'm getting excited for them.

00:16:53: It's no I did that.

00:16:55: I did that performance, I nailed that choreography.

00:16:58: I, got the standing ovation at the end of the show.

00:17:01: And you see them embody it.

00:17:04: Embodying all that is for them.

00:17:07: And how that resonates in the room, it's yeah, it's there are no words to describe

00:17:11: what that feels like as a teacher.

00:17:16: It used to be, 'cause I, I'm, I don't teach anymore, if I can avoid it.

00:17:19: I facilitate workshops and I lead retreats and I do things, but

00:17:23: I was a teacher for many years,

00:17:24: it was one of my first jobs.

00:17:25: And you, it used to be that you got satisfaction from the student,

00:17:32: be it a child or adult, catching on to the thing you taught them.

00:17:39: We made progress.

00:17:41: There's a satisfaction there where you're like, I taught

00:17:44: you and I am a good teacher.

00:17:47: There's a little bit of an ego that gets associated with it, and you

00:17:51: are attached to the event or that relationship in a more intertwined way.

00:17:58: Whereas

00:17:59: now when I can perceive it as solely their journey and their own individualized

00:18:06: experience and their pride and their joy, and again, that love for that,

00:18:12: this now extension of themselves.

00:18:15: And I just get to, I feel privileged just to be in the room.

00:18:19: More of a witness than someone who is...

00:18:23: Yeah.

00:18:23: I get to just watch.

00:18:25: And it has, it doesn't have to have anything to do with me.

00:18:29: And I don't.

00:18:32: I don't want credit.

00:18:33: I don't, I, it's not mine, it's theirs.

00:18:35: They showed up, they participated.

00:18:37: They it's their investment as the individual and it's their takeaway and

00:18:43: they are what is creating it for them.

00:18:46: And it's just, yeah, it is excellent to get to witness, to say the least.

00:18:53: And many people really want to help, but they feel unsure where to start.

00:18:59: So what do you believe meaningful volunteering should actually look like?

00:19:06: I'm writing a book and I talk about this in, in, in my book.

00:19:11: There's two answers to that question, and, the first one is gonna seem a little we'll

00:19:18: see how concisely I can articulate this.

00:19:23: 'Cause there's a reason I'm literally writing a book.

00:19:25: I personally, so one of my favorite words, it's how I navigate

00:19:29: my day is intention, right?

00:19:33: And we are very, I think all of us get really conditioned to seek

00:19:40: the significance or the "why" for that intention outside of ourselves.

00:19:47: And we tend to navigate based on shoulds and shouldn'ts.

00:19:53: And I personally think that kind of derails us from our own authentic

00:20:01: internal navigation system.

00:20:04: I believe very fully, wholeheartedly that when we get really in touch with

00:20:11: and we get really in tune with our internal navigation system and we make

00:20:17: those external contributions from that place, there is nothing more fulfilling

00:20:23: and rewarding in the world, for you,

00:20:27: the being, showing up to the cause or the event, writing, the check, whatever it is

00:20:34: that you're doing to be of service, right?

00:20:37: When you believe to your core that act of service is in alignment with

00:20:42: who you are as a human, you are so released from any external consequence

00:20:50: or praise, or that sense of entitlement,

00:20:54: "I did this, I deserve that".

00:20:56: You relinquish that entirely and you find yourself far less depleted.

00:21:01: You're not exhausted.

00:21:03: That contribution that you gave, that piece of yourself that you brought to

00:21:07: whatever that thing was, that mission, that purpose that day, or building a water

00:21:11: well, or were, building school backpacks or, whatever it is that you're doing,

00:21:18: you might be tired at the end of it.

00:21:22: But there's a part of you that was nourished.

00:21:25: There's a part of you that was almost reinvigorated.

00:21:28: There's a part of you that was like, ah, I got just as much as I gave, if not more.

00:21:34: You're not sacrificing, you're not sacrificing your time.

00:21:37: You're not sacrificing that money.

00:21:38: You're not sacrificing your.

00:21:40: Back.

00:21:41: I don't know what building a water well is.

00:21:43: I would love to find out though you have a sense of, it's not necessarily

00:21:47: pride, it's just you are acting in accordance to, in alignment with that

00:21:53: which you are authentically best doing.

00:21:58: I believe we all feel called to be of service in some way.

00:22:00: I think to the core of our essence, we want to contribute.

00:22:04: 'cause we are a part of everything.

00:22:06: We are a part of this whole.

00:22:07: We make up that which we are involved in so completely.

00:22:11: So to be intentional with your contribution, to be intentional with that

00:22:16: navigation system, I think you give the most in the best way you possibly can.

00:22:24: Wow.

00:22:25: Our emotions drive us.

00:22:27: You find the thing that, that, sets your heart on fire.

00:22:30: For me we can, we can reference this, if you don't mind me talking about it.

00:22:33: I'm a huge feminist.

00:22:35: Huge.

00:22:36: I participate I do the things.

00:22:38: I get involved, I speak about it.

00:22:41: I come from a place of love and a place of expansion and, this unity.

00:22:46: So how did I find that?

00:22:49: Of course there was something that ticked me off for a moment and I had

00:22:53: to alchemize that emotion and then navigate from a state of coherence.

00:22:57: And then that's how you find what you choose to participate in if

00:23:01: you're wanting to be of service.

00:23:03: So in selecting something, I don't think anyone can just donate to a food

00:23:08: shelter and go, oh, that ignited my soul.

00:23:11: Maybe.

00:23:12: Maybe, I think people tend to do things like that because it's a should.

00:23:18: Rather than something they woke up in the morning feeling called to do.

00:23:24: And that's the difference.

00:23:26: And then people say based on what I've recorded on paper, I'm a good person.

00:23:31: I deserve this, and this from the world and from the universe.

00:23:35: And it doesn't work that way.

00:23:37: I don't believe it works that way anyway.

00:23:39: You're, anyone else is entitled to think however they want to, but that

00:23:43: would be my response to that question.

00:23:45: Wow.

00:23:47: Now, as you look ahead, what kind of world are you trying to help build

00:23:53: and what gives you hope right now?

00:23:57: Unified consciousness is the goal contributing in a positive way.

00:24:03: And therein anything, everywhere in anything I do that is the intention

00:24:07: is to be a positive influence, not an influencer like you hear now, but to

00:24:13: be someone that just in my beingness, I contribute goodness to with intention.

00:24:19: That

00:24:21: consciously or unconsciously is received by everything around me, and that

00:24:28: is unified consciousness affecting other people, then aligning in a

00:24:32: way, my joy then is an extension of your joy, is an extension of her joy.

00:24:38: Same thing with love, same thing with gratitude, et cetera.

00:24:40: I show up in a grateful state, right,

00:24:42: my energy and my vibration is aligned with that.

00:24:45: Be it my home environment, be it at the bank, be it at the

00:24:49: pharmacy, picking up a prescription.

00:24:51: I would like to think that even in the smallest way, I have a positive effect

00:24:56: that's Builders of a Better World.

00:24:58: That's the purpose of Builders of the Better World, is unified

00:25:00: consciousness, understanding that you contribute to everything.

00:25:03: So if you are to be of service, the best thing you can do is serve yourself.

00:25:08: Live in your joy, live in your happiness.

00:25:11: At the core, we're all the same.

00:25:14: My joy truly would never harm anyone else.

00:25:20: And I believe that is the way for everyone.

00:25:22: So that's what Builders is intended to do.

00:25:27: That's how I move through the world.

00:25:29: We're all here to be happy, healthy humans, living our creative

00:25:32: joy, expressing ourselves, being emotionally intelligent, mindful

00:25:37: of how we move through the world.

00:25:38: And yeah, it's just a, it's a way to expand upon your sense of self

00:25:44: as the extension of the whole.

00:25:47: In a kind way and a caring way of others.

00:25:50: Non no non-judgment.

00:25:53: Non-judgment is really important.

00:25:55: You're not gonna judge yourself.

00:25:56: You're not gonna judge someone else.

00:25:58: The relationship you have to yourself is very heavily intertwined with the

00:26:02: relationship you express to other people.

00:26:05: And so it is important to nurture that and foster that and take care of that,

00:26:10: and have that be what comes first.

00:26:13: Builders of a Better World, the whole mission is to understand

00:26:15: that building a better world is an inward to outward process.

00:26:19: And that's something that I hope now can move forward and just

00:26:28: continue to grow the way that it's intended to, to just continue for

00:26:34: that to be of service to people

00:26:36: and

00:26:36: for people then

00:26:38: to optimally and most effectively be of service for others.

00:26:42: Wow.

00:26:43: Wow.

00:26:44: Now, how can people find Builders of a Better World?

00:26:49: Yes.

00:26:49: So we have our website buildersofbetterworld.org.

00:26:53: That's a really great place to go.

00:26:55: And then we do have a YouTube channel.

00:26:57: I have a podcast Builders of a Better World.

00:27:00: And we have an Instagram Builders of a Better World.

00:27:04: Okay.

00:27:04: So we're all over, out and about, so yeah, definitely go to our

00:27:09: website buildersofabetterworld.org.

00:27:11: Wow.

00:27:12: Ashlieya, it was wonderful to hear about all your great work and

00:27:19: thank you so much for sharing it.

00:27:21: Thank you for all the good you're doing for yourself and

00:27:25: the world in that combination.

00:27:27: It was wonderful to have you as a guest.

00:27:30: Thank you so much.

00:27:32: Truly my pleasure.

00:27:32: Thank you.

00:27:37: This was Lead.

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