Ep 109. The Hidden Cost of Attention: Why You Can’t Switch Off After Work

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Lead Well! is where neuroscience meets leadership, resilience, and real-life stories. Each week, I dive into conversations and solo episodes that help you lead yourself and others with clarity, purpose, and presence. Expect practical tools, fresh perspectives, and sometimes surprising lessons from animals and nature.

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00:00:05: Today we wanna talk about Presence and the cost of attention.

00:00:11: Now, think about it: have you ever finished your workday?

00:00:15: So you closed your laptop, probably walked into the kitchen, but you

00:00:21: still were in that last meeting.

00:00:24: So not really physically, but mentally you were still there.

00:00:28: You're probably answering emails in your head, you're replaying a conversation,

00:00:33: maybe you're planning tomorrow.

00:00:35: So your body is home, but your attention isn't.

00:00:40: It's physical, it's called attention residue.

00:00:46: So today I want to close our little series by talking about why this matters and why

00:00:53: it matters more than most people realize.

00:00:59: What is attentional residue?

00:01:04: A researcher, Sophie Leroy, in 2009, showed something very,

00:01:12: very simple but powerful.

00:01:15: When you switch between tasks,

00:01:18: part of your attention stays stuck with the previous one.

00:01:23: So your brain does not fully disengage from what you just have been doing.

00:01:31: Even when you think you moved on, there is this mental left over

00:01:37: and this mental leftover competes with what you're currently doing.

00:01:43: So it reduces your capacity to cognitively think, to cognitively process things.

00:01:50: It increases error rates and it slows you down.

00:01:55: So there are estimates that suggest that this switching between tasks,

00:02:01: the attention residue can cost up to 40% of our effective working time.

00:02:07: That's 40%.

00:02:11: And the other interesting thing is that after a switch, so when you switch

00:02:16: between tasks, it can take up to 15 to 23 minutes to regain full focus.

00:02:25: Now think about a normal workday.

00:02:30: You work, let's say, on a presentation.

00:02:34: Then there is an email notification coming up, and of course you

00:02:37: look at it because it's blinking.

00:02:39: Then you get a Team's message, then a phone call, and then back to email.

00:02:46: So your brain is always trying to focus and it's never really

00:02:52: fully focusing, fully landing on what you're currently doing.

00:02:57: You're constantly carrying open tabs.

00:03:00: It's like on your screen there are a lot of different taps and the

00:03:04: same is happening in your brain.

00:03:07: So let's look at it from a nervous system perspective.

00:03:11: I often talk about the autonomic nervous system and the parasympathetic

00:03:16: nervous system, the sympathetic nervous system, so the thrive and survive,

00:03:21: or the rest and digest as it's called usually, and the stress response.

00:03:26: And in the last episode, we spoke about orienting.

00:03:30: So this small moment in which our mind tries to figure out should I go into a

00:03:38: fight, flight, freeze response, or is this not something I need to stress about.

00:03:44: Now add this

00:03:47: additional layer: when a task remains unfinished, the brain keeps it active.

00:03:58: And this again connects directly to the so-called Zeiganik effect, which

00:04:04: says that we remember unfinished tasks better than completed ones.

00:04:11: Maybe you already experienced that.

00:04:14: An email that I finished and sent off, I often forget about it.

00:04:19: An email that is sitting in my outbox because I need to finish it up.

00:04:24: That's always on my mind.

00:04:26: So the brain really keeps an open file for what we have not yet finished.

00:04:31: And open files, what they do, is they create tension.

00:04:35: If your system is constantly holding those unfinished goals, those unfinished

00:04:43: conversations, pending decisions, something that you still need to do...

00:04:47: You will never be able to fully relax.

00:04:52: And this is why so many of my clients tell me "I cannot switch off".

00:04:59: And it's not lack of discipline.

00:05:03: It really is due to this residue.

00:05:07: Now, what is the cost for quality, because that is impacted as well.

00:05:11: So research shows that when attention residue is high, so when we do a lot of

00:05:18: things, one after the other, even more so, if the things are not finished yet, then

00:05:25: performance drops, error rate increases, and our strategic thinking declines.

00:05:34: Whereas our emotional reactivity increases of course.

00:05:40: And this is the subtle part, you might still be working.

00:05:44: You think you are really busy, but you are not fully there.

00:05:48: We could almost call this presentism at a cognitive level.

00:05:52: You are physically present, but mentally absent or at least divided.

00:06:01: Over time that that fragmentation prevents deep work, creativity,

00:06:10: and most of all real recovery.

00:06:15: And where this shows up most is in the modern office work because

00:06:26: our modern knowledge work is almost designed to create residue.

00:06:32: We get constant notifications.

00:06:34: We're expected to be on Teams, we're expected to answer to WhatsApp messages.

00:06:42: There is rapid context switching.

00:06:46: And, who hasn't gone through a day where you had back to back meetings where you

00:06:53: could not even do a bio break because there was another meeting already

00:06:56: waiting and you were almost always late, especially when you're in the office

00:07:01: and you have to move between rooms.

00:07:04: Then often, there was not even a time scheduled in to

00:07:08: move between those two rooms.

00:07:10: But not only in the office, it's difficult, but also when you work at

00:07:14: home, because then you are in this, in this hybrid work situation where

00:07:21: personal role and your professional role are more or less blending.

00:07:27: Your brain never knows exactly: are you now in a professional capacity?

00:07:32: Are you in a personal capacity?

00:07:34: You switch between the two.

00:07:36: Maybe you have your kids walking in and then you switch to your family

00:07:40: personality and then your kids walk out and you get back into the meeting and

00:07:44: you have to put your professional hat on.

00:07:48: Every change really creates this attentional residue.

00:07:54: And then we wonder why evenings feel restless.

00:07:58: Because nothing is really fully finished, fully closed.

00:08:04: And as I said already in the first episode, presence is

00:08:08: not just about being calm.

00:08:10: It's about being cognitively in the here and now, and it's as we know

00:08:18: now also about cognitive closure.

00:08:23: So making sure that if I switch to a next task that the previous task, if

00:08:28: it's not finished, at least my brain thinks it's finished enough to move on.

00:08:35: Let's look into two different little practices that you can do to help your

00:08:44: brain and help your productivity here.

00:08:48: The first practice is the so-called parking note.

00:08:52: So when you switch between tasks, then be very explicit and write one sentence: "I

00:09:01: stopped here. This is finished for now, and the next step is..." and that is all.

00:09:10: So you are giving your brain a closure.

00:09:14: It's only a temporary closure, but for your brain, it's enough.

00:09:17: And the funny thing I always tell my clients, especially when we work with

00:09:22: horses, when we work with dogs, so the trust technique, animal clients,

00:09:27: your brain does not even notice whether you have pen and paper and

00:09:30: you really write the sentence down, or you just write it in your hand.

00:09:35: Just say, "I stopped here. This is now finished for now, and the next step

00:09:41: is...", And this dramatically reduces the mental leakage into the next task.

00:09:48: You can use it before meetings.

00:09:50: You can use it to end your workday.

00:09:53: You can also use it before switching projects.

00:09:56: Takes not more than maybe 20, 30 seconds and

00:10:02: I think you will be surprised how much it changes.

00:10:07: And the second practice I wanted to share with you is the three minute reset.

00:10:13: So when you are working on a cognitively demanding task, and you wanna move on

00:10:19: to the next one, you can do something that animals do when they come off

00:10:25: a pretty stressful encountering.

00:10:28: You know what they're doing.

00:10:29: You probably have seen that a lot in dogs.

00:10:32: They shake it off.

00:10:33: And so I am not asking you to shake it off in the middle of the

00:10:37: office, although you could do that.

00:10:40: But what you can do is you can either stand up upward or remain sitting

00:10:45: and then focus on your breathing.

00:10:48: And what you can do is you can make your fists.

00:10:53: Then release them really, really slowly and it's just they

00:10:58: are opening up on their own.

00:11:00: You don't have to do anything.

00:11:03: And then you do exactly the same with your shoulders.

00:11:08: Pick your shoulders up and then let them come down by doing less and

00:11:13: less and less of the picking up.

00:11:15: So don't really let them fall down.

00:11:18: Just move them down really slowly.

00:11:21: They are moving down really slowly on their own.

00:11:25: You don't have to do anything because gravity is doing that job for you.

00:11:33: And then you can ask yourself, where is my attention right now?

00:11:42: And there is no judgment involved.

00:11:44: There is no good and bad.

00:11:45: Just notice where it is and if part of your attention is still in the

00:11:52: last task, in the last meeting, then just acknowledge it and

00:11:57: deliberately orient to the next task.

00:12:02: So this is Presence as a prevention.

00:12:06: It's not damage control.

00:12:09: But it does matter because if you go, for example, into a meeting and

00:12:16: you still have a lot of attention residue from previous..., previous

00:12:22: emails, previous conversations that you had over the day, and you have

00:12:27: a conversation in this meeting.

00:12:30: And your brain is not a hundred percent focused on the conversation

00:12:34: you're currently having.

00:12:35: There is a high chance that you miss signals that you react faster, than

00:12:42: instead of responding to others.

00:12:46: Your reactivity increases for that matter.

00:12:49: You're less tolerant, you get emotional more quickly.

00:12:54: And you probably are not fully able to listen attentively, but

00:13:00: only partially because part of your brain is just not there.

00:13:04: Part of your brain is not available.

00:13:07: So when we talk about this attention residue, it's not just

00:13:12: this productivity issue it's also a relational issue because if I have a

00:13:18: conversation and I'm not fully there.

00:13:21: The other person notices that.

00:13:23: So if I'm a leader and I have a team, and I'm not fully there

00:13:26: when I have a team meeting, they notice that.

00:13:30: And over time, this even erodes trust.

00:13:36: And for those of you who are doing the Trust Technique with your

00:13:38: animals, this is exactly what happens with your animals as well.

00:13:42: Your animals notice very well, whether you are there with them.

00:13:48: A hundred percent or not.

00:13:50: And so for them it's equally important that you finish up everything that

00:13:57: had happened before and you are there.

00:14:00: And it's not a luxury, it really is,

00:14:04: we could almost say leadership hygiene.

00:14:10: Now when we look at it from a bigger picture, of course this residue,

00:14:14: that's not something wrong because our brain always tries to do

00:14:19: something that is helpful for us.

00:14:21: So in cognitive science, the residual attention also supports

00:14:27: continuity and learning.

00:14:29: Because we can carry over from what had happened before.

00:14:34: So, the problem is not that residue exists.

00:14:38: The problem is this chronic accumulation without closure and this chronic

00:14:46: distraction that is going on.

00:14:48: The speed of notifications that we're getting.

00:14:51: And if I have too many things open, I cannot go deep.

00:14:55: Now, when we look back at Presence.

00:14:59: And you know, presence really is My focus area, because I have learned so

00:15:05: much from noticing and from learning how to get present, that I feel it's

00:15:13: really the basis for everything.

00:15:16: If I cannot get present whenever I want and whenever I

00:15:20: need to, life is pretty hard.

00:15:24: So we looked in those last four episodes into why presence is

00:15:31: a condition for living well.

00:15:33: And we have seen that it begins in the body.

00:15:38: And then we looked at this orienting moment before our

00:15:44: stress response kicks in.

00:15:48: And today we talked about attentional residue.

00:15:53: So it's important to me to emphasize that Presence is not

00:15:57: about eliminating emotions, but it's about freeing cognitive bandwidth.

00:16:04: It's about reducing the invisible load in our brain, and it's about

00:16:10: reclaiming attention so that I can put my attention where I want, consciously.

00:16:19: Because attention is your life.

00:16:24: if you wanna go deeper, there is a chance, because on February 28th, I

00:16:31: start a beta cohort for my new course.

00:16:35: "Switch Off Work".

00:16:37: It's designed especially for corporate employees and leaders

00:16:42: who struggle to mentally disengage.

00:16:45: And in those four weeks we go much deeper.

00:16:48: We talk about nervous system regulation tools, practical frameworks for

00:16:53: reducing cognitive residue, and clear transition rituals from work to home.

00:17:00: So it's not theory, it's applied training, and if you recognize

00:17:06: yourself in today's episode, this course will give you the structure and

00:17:10: tools to actually implement change.

00:17:14: Until next time, may you lead well, yourself first and then others.

00:17:21: Bye for now.

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